Comments on: Annotating and updating Tricia Rose http://www.kevindriscoll.info/todomundo/2008/03/28/annotating-and-updating-tricia-rose/ internet anthropology, hip-hop, teaching, participatory culture Mon, 06 Sep 2010 23:44:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: kevin http://www.kevindriscoll.info/todomundo/2008/03/28/annotating-and-updating-tricia-rose/comment-page-1/#comment-17507 kevin Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:49:06 +0000 http://www.kevindriscoll.info/todomundo/2008/03/28/annotating-and-updating-tricia-rose/#comment-17507 All that you say about R&B / hip-hop is true. I had to go out of my way NOT to conflate them in this post. Missy is a great example of someone with participation in many hybrid forms. I'm not concerned as much with breaking any molds but with simply being VISIBLE as an active participant, rather than a collection of body parts or the object. I haven't sorted out my thoughts on this but in the time that it seems the female rapper crowd was limited, there was an attendant rise in the visibility of the "video girl" role. Without creating a hierarchy among "video girls" and "female rappers", I wonder if any of the video girls wouldn't prefer being rappers/singers? All that you say about R&B / hip-hop is true. I had to go out of my way NOT to conflate them in this post. Missy is a great example of someone with participation in many hybrid forms.

I’m not concerned as much with breaking any molds but with simply being VISIBLE as an active participant, rather than a collection of body parts or the object.

I haven’t sorted out my thoughts on this but in the time that it seems the female rapper crowd was limited, there was an attendant rise in the visibility of the “video girl” role. Without creating a hierarchy among “video girls” and “female rappers”, I wonder if any of the video girls wouldn’t prefer being rappers/singers?

]]> By: Gavin http://www.kevindriscoll.info/todomundo/2008/03/28/annotating-and-updating-tricia-rose/comment-page-1/#comment-17493 Gavin Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:24:21 +0000 http://www.kevindriscoll.info/todomundo/2008/03/28/annotating-and-updating-tricia-rose/#comment-17493 Hey Kevin, nice post. A few thoughts: Most music production is male-dominated, especially the more technological it gets (Rose discusses this as well if I recall), but women are more likely to participate in youth cultures through things like dance and fashion, which tend to get marginalized by critics and academics (who are also largely male). I think it's also worth considering expanding the definition of "hip hop" in this case to include popular R&B, much of which is hip hop in style, but doesn't necessarily include rapping. You could include Beyonce, Brandy, Keisha Cole, Mariah, Alicia Keys, Mary J, Erykah Badu... not all of those are exactly breaking the mold of femininity of course. Hey Kevin, nice post. A few thoughts: Most music production is male-dominated, especially the more technological it gets (Rose discusses this as well if I recall), but women are more likely to participate in youth cultures through things like dance and fashion, which tend to get marginalized by critics and academics (who are also largely male). I think it’s also worth considering expanding the definition of “hip hop” in this case to include popular R&B, much of which is hip hop in style, but doesn’t necessarily include rapping. You could include Beyonce, Brandy, Keisha Cole, Mariah, Alicia Keys, Mary J, Erykah Badu… not all of those are exactly breaking the mold of femininity of course.

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